From: (Peter McDermott)
Subject: Re: morphine injections
Date: 1995/07/10
newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.drugs.hard

In article <010304Z10071995@anon.penet.fi>,
an306564@anon.penet.fi wrote:

> HOw much morphine sulfate would need to be injected for a first 
>time user to get high? Is a dosage of 15mg too much or too 
>little?

A quarter grain, huh. A resonable starting dose, to my mind.

> Does it matter where the morhpine is injected? i.e. into the 
> vein or into the muscle.

No. My preference would be for IV, but watch out for those damned
itches. :)

> What dosage is harmful/fatal?

Hard to say. It depends on body weight, tolerance, etc. Start with your 15 mg and work 
up. The first time I ever used MS, I was doing 30 mg hits and did four over the course of 
several hours. I was _very_ ill (as in puking and nodding) but I didn't die.

Your tolerance may vary.

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From: nowhere@erehwon.net (nobody)
Subject: Re: morphine injections
Date: 1995/07/10
newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.drugs.hard

>> Does it matter where the morhpine is injected? i.e. into the 
>>vein or into the muscle.
>
>No. My preference would be for IV, but watch out for those
>damned itches. :)


 I love(ed) histamine release. I thought more people would feel the same way, but the 
fellow running the Swiss prescribing experiment told us that their was very little 
demand for morphine.

Seriously though, why inject at all?? Regular IV use is a unhealthy practice no matter 
how pure the substance and sterile the syringe. Mix your MS in some tasty liquid and 
be an "opium eater" instead. You'll be much better off.


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From: (Peter McDermott)
Subject: Re: morphine injections
Date: 1995/07/12
newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.drugs.hard

In article <3ttp5j$f8n@newsbf02.news.aol.com>,
benderjd@aol.com (BENDERJD) wrote:

>In article <3ts0ga$30k@park.interport.net>, nowhere@erehwon.net (nobody)
>writes:
>
>> I love(ed) histamine release
>
>As a stoner I must know what this is.

It's what causes the itch/burn in a morphine rush. When you shoot morphine, various 
parts of the body get very itchy -- typically, the palms of hands, soles of feet, asshole 
and face. Apparently, this is a histamine reaction, (though I don't know anything 
about the mechanism of action -- any ideas?)

It can sometimes cause a small rash of white, raised bumps to break out on the skin 
-- often nowhere near the injection site, that disappears in an hour or two. In the UK,
it was sometimes called 'mouse', but I don't know much about this either.

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From: (Steve Dyer)
Subject: Re: morphine injections
Date: 1995/07/10
newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.drugs.hard

A typical strongly analgesic dose of morphine given parenterally
(IV, IM or SC) to an adult is 10mg/70kg.

Goodman and Gilman quotes older literature which suggests that
"in a normal, pain-free adult, serious toxicity or death is
unlikely to follow 120mg orally or 30mg parenterally."
However, even if you avoid "serious toxicity", you're still
open to feeling terrible from taking too much, even if it's
too little to put your life in jeopardy.  So if you must
do this, I would err on the conservative side.  The feeling
that an opiate gives an opiate-naive person is not necessarily
pleasurable the first time.

I don't recommend the injection of street drugs, and I think anyone 
who would experiment with even something like pharmaceutical grade 
morphine is being foolhardy, but I also believe that people should have 
reliable information at hand to ensure they don't kill themselves.

Also, don't share or reuse needles, do remember to use a sterile
technique, yadda-yadda.

--
Steve Dyer

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