From: (Peter McD) Subject: Nodding story Date: 1995/07/29 newsgroups: alt.drugs.hard I was just settling into a nice nod, and feeling rather pleased with myself. After all, it isn't often that the drugs are strong enough that I can get a nod going with the tolerance that I've managed to amass. As I drifted off, slowly, into that space we so desperately seek, I felt a sharp burn in my groin area. Shit, no time to think, better act fast before that cigarette toasts Toby's tip. I've got no fucking underwear on either so we're well in the danger zone. Fuck whoever is in the room, we're talking about some serious risks to the family jewels, here. Think fast. Act fast. No time for delay. Quick, shuck off those pants and shake that sucker out. Nothing in the left leg, must be in the right... here, out it comes.. ...a works. I musta just dropped it in there as I nodded off. In fact, I wasn't even smoking in the first place. A realization that dawned on me as I stood in the middle of a room full of howling dope fiends with my pants in my hands. Ah well, the consoling thing about being a fiend is that there are always others worse off than you are. After all, at least _I_ was nodding... ==================================================================== From: (Peter McD) Subject: Re: morphine/heroin Date: 1997/09/23 Newsgroups: alt.drugs.hard [...] >>> Oral morphine is equipotent with >>> oral heroin. This may well be the case with regard to the high. However, oral heroin *may* have superior analgesic effects to morphine, and is still the drug of choice for the treatment of terminal pain here for that reason. The doctor may start patients on morphine tablets, but will move them onto heroin when the tolerance gets higher. >>> As subjective effects go, intranasal/oral heroin and >>>morphine should differ little. The difference only makes >>>itself dramatically apparent via the IV route. [...] This is also my experience. In fact, I'm pretty sure that there's research showing that it's extremely difficult even for experienced users to distinguish between opiates when taken by anything *other* than the i.v. route. A nod is a nod is a nod. The differences are basically in the rush. I don't count the relatively gradual onset from intranasal use as a *real* rush here. [...] There are people locally who receive diamorphine in solution for oral use, as an alternative to methadone maintenance. Not many, but a few. I think the dose they get varies between around 80mg and 120mg a day. It seems to work for them. [...] >Alkaline condition, as in >carbohydrate digestion, would very likely liberate the freebase >form of the drug and severely impede absorption. I know people who use heroin base intranasally. They don't complain about it not working. It seems to lose little of it's effect when taken this way. >>>Morphine is not supposed to be very suitable for the >>>intranasal route, and the possibility to snort the >>> substance was, according to my information, one of the >>>reasons for the success of heroin in recreational drug use. >>>While in iv administration the ratio morphine to heroine is >>>only somewhere around 1:3, the difference in oral or >>>intranasal administration is supposed to be much >>> higher. >> >> Here, I'd talk to people who have mainlined morphine. The >>verdict from the jury is: OW!!! It's because of the lack of >>side-effects, not the greater potency. Not OW!!! exactly. Some people actually preferred the effects of morphine, because you get a far more spectacular rush than do with heroin. It comes on like a house on fire. Heroin is somewhat more subtle. The real difference, I suppose, is the histamine effects that morphine produces. That serious itching of the nose, face, asshole, soles of feet, palms of hands, etc. It only usually lasts as long as the rush does though - a few seconds in all. You can also get similar histamine effects from iv. heroin as well, (pharmaceutical) but they are much less likely, and much less pronounced basically. >The preferred derivatives of morphine seem to be hydromorphone >or oxymorphone though. People get quite carried away when >talking about these. I remember Dromoran. They were never easy to sell. It was always easier to sell real morphine for some reason. You'd always try and sell them rather than take them yourself. Dipipanone. That was the *real* business. Drug of choice *still*. Second to none. >>> As far as iv use goes, there is a qualitative, not just >>>quantitative difference, as I have been told by people who >>>have used both, pure heroin from Thailand pharmacies as well >>>as pharmaceutical morphine. [...] Like all drugs experience, the subjective meaning is a learned one. I did morphine before I ever did heroin, and the people I did it with and the literature that I'd read described the rush in very positive terms. As a consequence, I interpreted those sensations as intensity. Intensity equals good, right? The first few times I did heroin, I was very disappointed because the rush lacked the intensity of morphine. After using for a while, I began to realize that heroin could provide a deeper and more sustainable nod, milligram for milligram, than morphine did, so my preference gradually shifted to the diamorphine. I came to appreciate the lack of side-effects, because I associated them with that deep sustainable nod. I don't think that either rush is inherently more pleasurable than the other, but you attribute pleasurable characteristics to the one that you use the most often because you associate it with the high. This was particularly observable with Diconal, a combination of cyclizine (an anti-emetic) and dipipanone, a very strong opiate, much stronger and more euphoric than heroin. Diconal had an extremely intense rush. So much so, that it became the opiate of choice in the UK for many years, and is currently restricted in the same way as heroin and cocaine, insofar as doctors need a special license to prescribe it to addicts (though any can prescribe it for pain control.) Anyway, after a while, people got so hung up on the rush that they began to buy plain cyclizine tablets. At first, they'd crush them up and use them with heroin or methadone ampules. However, some people just got into shooting the cyclizine alone. I knew people who had been addicted to opiates for ten years or more, and they'd sell their methadone ampules and use the money to buy more cyclazine. The lack of opiates was immaterial. All they cared about now was the rush >> This is right after injection, though. The nod does not seem >>to be much different. That was the point I was making. [...] The nod is *qualitatively* the same, but if you inject comparative doses of herion and morphine, heroin still has the edge *quantitatively*, in that it's deeper for longer. Morphine may even seem to last a little longer, but I think that's because when the heroin high wears off, it seems like its all gone because the contrast between the nod and the not-nod is so strong. Because it's less strong with morphine, it may lend itself to the subjective impression that morphine lasts a little longer, but this is very speculative and based on a sample of one.