From: anon@penet.fi (CrAsH) Subject: Snorting/Shooting experiment Date: 1997/02/21 Newsgroups: alt.drugs.hard I was reading through some of the archives, and came across an old debate about the effects of snorting versus shooting opiates. There was much controversy, with the majority of people leaning towards the popular opinion that when injected, all effects and possible withdrawal are significantly greater. The result of my independent study was as follows: 1. A long time user (I can only speak for my own research, I am sure this is not the rule) experienced no greater effects from injection of identical amounts of opiates, other than the onset of the drug. 2. A new user, on the other hand, faces a much greater risk of OD with injection, and does experience a much greater difference in the ingestion method than a user with a high tolerance. Newbies have OD'd on 5 dollar bags when injected. 3. Withdrawal from snorting causes greater discomfort with gastro-intestinal symptoms, and has a longer withdrawal period. [...] ==================================================================== From: anon@penet.fi (CrAsH) Subject: Re: why shooters have easier withdraw?? Date: 1997/01/13 newsgroups: alt.drugs,alt.drugs.hard Well speaking from years of addiction, the two differences I have noticed for me are: 1. Yes snorting can require 3x as much but........ 2. The initial rush is not as intense, but afterwards feels the same if more is consumed (roughly 2-3x as much of the same stuff). 3. The withdrawal is worse from snorting such large amounts! My only guess it that when one snorts it, it gets absorbed by the stomach and other parts of the body that would not take place with injection. [...] ==================================================================== From: staring@my.screen (Samson) Subject: Shooting v. sniffing (wasRe: why shooters have easier withdraw?? Date: 1997/01/13 newsgroups: alt.drugs.hard [...] Interesting. I never had anything to which to compare sniffing: that's the only method I've ever used. But I suspected that something like this was true. Watching a friend shoot, I noticed that there were some dramatic differences in her experience from mine. The most obvious was the initial rush I observed in her, something which did not seem to mirror anything in my own experience. Also obvious was the fact that I had to sniff about five times (or more) the amount she shot in order to be "satisfied", even though my tolerance was probably not as great as hers. Of course, for each shot that she would take, there would be several "sniffing sessions" for me. And as I reached the "terminal sessions", those that brought me to the point of satisfaction, it seemed as though I had reached a "haze level" comparable to hers shortly after her first injection. My hypothesis about this is that what I had done was build up a level of drug in my system over time, to the point where the next addition to that level brought me to a "threshold", totally gone. (It took quite a few months of (albeit infrequent) use to be able to reach this level without getting a terrible headache first). Now, one thing that has to be kept in mind about sniffing is that, all other things being equal, it is not much less efficient as a means of delivering heroin to the CNS than shooting. It is considerably slower, but not much less complete, milligram for milligram. But all other things are not equal: particles and chunks of powder get stuck in hair and mucous, some drug ends up in the stomach (where absorption _is_ considerably less efficient), and there is only so much that can be sniffed before the pipes get "clogged up" and need time to be cleared out. But ultimately, most of what gets stuck in the nasal passages without being absorbed initially, assuming it is not sneezed or picked out, dissolves and gets absorbed. The upshot of this, I tend to think, is that a sniffer not only needs to consume more drug to get as high as a shooter, but (given a similar level of tolerance) actually ends up absorbing more. So that someone with a heavy sniffing habit "exposes" his opioid receptors to more heroin than someone with a shooting habit. [...]