From: smisch Subject: Re: info over "china white" ! Date: 1996/05/26 newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry,alt.drugs.hard,rec.drugs.misc In article , m@d.cow (Scoob) wrote: > In article <69KWIuVOTqB@beldam.in-minden.de>, ingo@beldam.in-minden.de > (Ingo Rose) wrote: > > > is there any info over "china white" available ? > China White is the street name of an extremely potent synthetic opiate. > If you want to research this drug futher, you should seek information on > Fentanyl. It is a Schedule I drug used by hospitals to alleviate _severe_ > pain. The effects are very much like heroin, only Fentanyl is hundreds if > not thousands of times more potent. China White was responsible for > numerous overdose deaths in the Pittsburgh area about 10 years ago, as I > recall. First, fentanyl is a schedule _II_ drug. (That may have been a typo on your part. "Schedule I" includes only drugs which have no legal medical use). Second, as I understand the history of the term, "China White" was originally used to refer to white powder heroin imported from the Southeast Asia, to distinguish it from the brown variety from the Near East, which was (and still is, in some places) all that was available on the Western black market. In that sense, there is plenty of "China White" available in the Northeastern US (although, increasingly it is coming from Colombia - so the "authorities" say). However, during the late 70's through much of the 80's there was a "drought" of pure heroin (at least in the US), and many distributors were "spiking" their product with homemade "fentanyl" -- which was not even fentanyl but congeners, such as methyl fentanyl, which could be up to 2000 times as potent as morphine. (Fentanyl itself is about 80-100 times as potent as morphine). These preparations were sold as "China White" (ie., as potent heroin from Southeast Asia), and the name stuck, though, in fact, it was in most cases a domestically manufactured "copy". I believe some detail on this can be found at hyperreal (not sure where exactly), if you're interested in the subject of "synthetic heroin". ==================================================================== From: have@me.mil ( ) Subject: Re: info over "china white" ! Date: 1996/05/26 newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry,alt.drugs.hard [...] "China White" was originally a term limited to the West Coast US which referred to minimally cut, highly pure number 4 heroin. Heroin purity was at it's lowest in the US in the early Seventies. Around 1979 there began a resurgence in imports and an increase in quality (attributed by many to the shakeup in Iran). To the best of my knowledge, fentanyl analogs didn't start appearing on the street until the mid-eighties. One of the factors that likely spurred its appearance was the breakup of the Mob's heroin monopoly. While the first fentanyls to appear on the west coast were often sold as "china white", and while the press picked up on this term and made it a synonym for fentanyls, most of the fentanyls were actually sold as heroin to users unaware they were getting anything different. The only exception was when the police and press picked up on a distributed batch and advertised its existence, (ie the last wave of fents in NYC of which I'm aware, brands such as "Tango and Cash" and "Tombstone" in 1992-93. Unlike many distributions of fentanyl, at least one of these bags (I can't recall which) contained only a fentanyl- no heroin whatsoever- and users would test negative for opioids while "sucking their dicks". Despite what someone posted earlier in this thread, in my experience, fentanyl analogs (or congeners, or whatever...me no chemist...) are subjectively _identical_ to heroin. The fentanyls I've experienced on the East coast (unlike pharmaceutical fentanyl citrate) lasted at least as long as heroin as well. The main problem with fentanyls for street users is that it is impossible to keep them cut to any kind of consistency (at least with street methods of cutting) in powder form. This problem was responsible for the death of a friend of mine in 1992. ==================================================================== From: Squest@cris.com (Steve Quest) Subject: Re: Tar vs. white heroin Date: 1996/08/01 newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry,alt.drugs.hard [...] : and years ago, there was a flush of heroin they were calling China : White which was a synthetic, supposedly hundreds of times stronger : than heroin (it wouldn't show up on tests - a designer drug), and that : people were dying from it (I knew one of the people who died from : China White, but I don't know if it was from this designer drug, or : from just plain heroin.) So, a side question is: is China White just : pure heroin, or is it a designer drug? I was told it was methylfentanyl citrate, a synthetic opiate with more kick than natural opiates and derivitives. When I scored China White many years ago (over 15 years now) I used about 250mg of the stuff and spent many minutes after the initial injection laying on my back in my bed, screaming orgasm sounds (the sounds _women_ make when they cum) at the top of my lungs, while a sexual orgasm feeling flowed like an ocean wave up and down and through my whole body. It was a total mind/body orgasm, that's all I could say. I even shot a load of jiz in my underwear, tho it was just clear snot-looking jiz, not white. Very strange what this drug can trigger as far as glandular/hormonal goes. The next time I did it I didn't use as much (can you blame me?) and didn't experience the same high, but it was still better than plain diacetylmorphine salts. It was quite an experience, I will never forget! [...] ==================================================================== From: jkw1@axe.humboldt.edu (John K. Weaver) Subject: Re: info over "china white" ! Date: 1996/05/26 newsgroups: alt.drugs.chemistry,alt.drugs.hard,rec.drugs.misc Look in the Jan. 18 issue of Chemical & Engineering News 1986 or there about for an article on "china white". The real story is rather interesting. A substance seized during a drug bust was incorrectly identified as 3-methyl fentanyl, (later newer more exact methods of magnetic resonance analysis revealed that the original substance was in fact alpha -methyl fentanyl), in the mean time agroups of american and english pharmaceutical companies and independant resarcher, Riley at Mississippi and Jansen in Eng. worked on fentanyl analog synthesis and mag. reson. signatures - for detection info. and did in fact get patents for some of them. So what started out as a mistaken reading during analysis led to a whole group of longer acting and stronger synthetics opioids. The fentanyl group is the only other class of analgesics that affect the same three areas of the nevous system as does heroin- the only. One thing your government dosen't want you to know (maybey they don't enen know) is that since the substituted fentanyls (alpha, 3-methyl, etc) are so potent they're withdrawal is much less than Papaver somniferum (opium poppy) base analgesics. Truth is sometimes stranger than fiction. ==================================================================== From: peter@petermc.demon.co.uk (Peter McDermott) Subject: Re: blah, blah...fucking drag...long annoying header organization: Nefarious Enterprises Inc. newsgroups: alt.drugs.hard In article <46dki4$mdg@park.interport.net>, G@O.M (Sir William Osler) wrote: >remembering correctly) is going to hold Joe Fiend for far longer than a gram >of morphine (if Joe only does enough to get straight when needed), and a gram >of fentanyl (or better yet, one of the fentanyl variants that roam the >streets, some more than 2000 times the potency of morphine!)...forget it! No, I believe he's correct. I read that one of the problems with the distribution of black market fentanyl is mixing the cut with the microscopic amounts of fentanyl that are actually used in a dose. The slightest error can have tragic consequences. Apparently, some people use some kind of sophisticated centrifuge to get the mix done safely. (This from a story about the 'king' of black market fentanyl -- that I wish I'd kept) ==================================================================== From: cdrain Subject: Re: Cocaine and Amphetamine Date: 1996/09/19 newsgroups: alt.drugs.hard > Indeed. In fact, I've seen research that showed experienced > fiends couldn't distinguish between heroin and methadone when > both were taken orally, but the question was asked an hour > after the drug had taken effect. > > Ask them after they'd shot up either drug or six hours after they'd > taken them orally, and most experienced users _would_, I believe, > correctly identify which drug was which. interesting point...look at the fentanyl phenomena in NYC..although fentanyl is stronger than heroin, it doesn't have the rush associated with heroin injection, but the high is almost identical to really strong dope.but that decreased rush is still similar enough to heroin to cause people to initially think it's weak dope and shoot more.. ==================================================================== From: Redeye Subject: Re: Fentanyl Date: 1996/04/15 newsgroups: alt.drugs.hard Fentanyl is used for pain (sometimes for D.T.s it has a sedative effect also) here in U.S. I'ts giving in 75ccIV.to start off. Dosedge increased as needed. One patient took 200cc for D.Ts and was still climbing the walls. Patches are used for chronic patients. ==================================================================== From: smisch Subject: Re: Fentanyl Date: 1996/04/19 newsgroups: alt.drugs.hard In article <4kud8q$jgj@park.interport.net>, bim@bam.boom.mil (emanlluF) wrote: > > Sublimaze (the most common prep of fentanyl) has a concentration of > 100micrograms/2ml.....work out 75ccs.... > Janssen Pharmaceuticals defines a "high dose" of fentanyl as "20-50 ug/kg", which would be up to 3750 ug (3.75 mg) in a 75 kg person -- which, of course, would be 75 x 50 micrograms. Sublimaze comes in 5, 10, and 20 ml ampuoles at a concentration of 50 ug/ml (or ug/cc). So 75 cc's of fentanyl would be 3.75 mg, or three 20's, a 10, and a 5 of Sublimaze... Which _is_ a lot. 75 cc's is within the range of recommended dosing for a roughly average-sized male...recommended dosing, that is, for pain "during open heart surgery and certain more complicated neurosurgical and orthopedic procedures..." And they do say _during_...