From: "jackyo" 
Newsgroups: alt.drugs.hard,alt.drugs
Subject: Re: Advice Needed On Tapering Down
Date: Sat, 19 Feb 2000 03:32:51 GMT


harry wrote in message <38AB3463.6FD29BAE@home.com>...

>I don't know.  I have done tapering, but slower than you're proposing.If
>you're doing 40 mgs a day now, then 4 percs is cutting your dose in half
>in one day.  That's  a lot.  I would go down by 10% a day, if you can
>manage it. You need real fortitude to stick to a schedule, though.  The
>other thing you might try is something I've been seeing people mention,
>and that is using codeine or even (gack) poppy tea to help with those
>withdrawal pangs.  I have not done that, but enough people have posted
>that it helps to make it believable, I think.

It absolutely works. It is MUCH better to taper off with codeine
than percocet - 2 reasons :

1 - even when you are only taking 1 perc a few times a day, you
are still taking a drug with a dependence syndrome similar to
morphine. Codeine is MUCH weaker

2 - is is ALWAYS better to use a drug that wont give you much of
a buzz. When you are sick, even 1 perc has a nice feeling to it.


Once again, here is the schedule :

Start with 60mg codeine 4 times a day. You CAN take an extra 30mg
at bedtime.

DO NOT take the codeine before every 6 hours. Yes, you WILL feel
a bit uncomfortable before the next dose. Live with it.

After 3 or 4 days, cut down the mid day doses to 30mg. You can
still take the 60 morning and night.

After 3 days of this, cut the morning dose to 30.

2 more days or so, and drop one of the midday doses - so now you
are taking the codeine every 8 hours. You can still take 30 <even
60> at bedtime. Nothing is worse when kicking than not being able
to sleep, in my book.

After 2 days, drop the midday dose. At this point, your habit
<unless it was methadone> will be almost completlely gone. You
can continue to take 30mg in the morning, and 30mg at bedtime,
for another week. Then, for up to 2 months, you can take the
bedtime dose.

Also, try to do as much *SWEATY* excercise as you can. Bike
riding, running, sex, whatever. This *REALLY* helps, even if you
can only manage it for 15 or 20 minutes a day. But the idea is to
get really sweaty.

finally, I know a few guys that took KLonipin as well, to ease
the 'fear' syndrome associated with withdrawal. Also, AVOID ANY
kind of chemical stimulant <coffee, sudafed, whatever>.


Good luck.



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